1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,379 A lot of content, 2 00:00:01,379 --> 00:00:02,445 so we want to get started 3 00:00:02,445 --> 00:00:04,394 right away. Good afternoon. 4 00:00:04,394 --> 00:00:06,060 I'm Laura woods bash on with 5 00:00:06,060 --> 00:00:07,169 the US Office of 6 00:00:07,169 --> 00:00:09,630 Research and Cutler Institute. 7 00:00:09,630 --> 00:00:12,660 Welcome to our first event of 8 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:16,995 our 2021 Research and Scholarship Symposium. 9 00:00:16,995 --> 00:00:19,469 Today's event is grant writing. 10 00:00:19,469 --> 00:00:22,109 Just do it. Presented by Dr. Terry sure. 11 00:00:22,109 --> 00:00:24,304 Hada. And this event is brought 12 00:00:24,304 --> 00:00:26,854 to us by the Office of Research, 13 00:00:26,854 --> 00:00:28,489 us some libraries and 14 00:00:28,489 --> 00:00:31,280 the Center for collaboration and development. 15 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,769 Today's event is part of 16 00:00:33,769 --> 00:00:35,404 a newly re-imagined 17 00:00:35,404 --> 00:00:37,969 online research symposium series 18 00:00:37,969 --> 00:00:40,399 intended to bring together faculty, 19 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,109 staff and students to 20 00:00:42,109 --> 00:00:44,404 celebrate all the wonderful research, 21 00:00:44,404 --> 00:00:46,160 scholarship and creative activity 22 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,679 happening across US m. 23 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:51,994 This virtual series will take place 24 00:00:51,994 --> 00:00:55,324 every Friday from noon to one, 25 00:00:55,324 --> 00:00:58,100 starting today until April. 26 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:02,390 Early April. The series 27 00:01:02,390 --> 00:01:05,450 will be a mix of skill-based workshops, 28 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:07,309 lightning, talk, 29 00:01:07,309 --> 00:01:08,719 many presentations 30 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:10,759 covering a wide range of topics, 31 00:01:10,759 --> 00:01:13,474 research field in experiences. 32 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:15,259 And a keynote address from 33 00:01:15,259 --> 00:01:17,269 Dr. Iccha Langford of 34 00:01:17,269 --> 00:01:19,100 New York University on 35 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:21,079 best practices for diversity, 36 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:23,705 equity and inclusion and research. 37 00:01:23,705 --> 00:01:26,270 Registration emails will be going out 38 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:29,344 weekly and we hope you join us. 39 00:01:29,344 --> 00:01:31,339 I would like to thank the US 40 00:01:31,339 --> 00:01:32,569 some office of research. 41 00:01:32,569 --> 00:01:34,070 You are some libraries in 42 00:01:34,070 --> 00:01:36,814 the Center for collaboration and development. 43 00:01:36,814 --> 00:01:39,710 Dr. Shewhart up in our planning committee 44 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:42,409 for making today's event possible. 45 00:01:42,409 --> 00:01:44,029 I would also like to thank 46 00:01:44,029 --> 00:01:46,589 all of you for joining us. 47 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,740 I everyone. 48 00:01:50,740 --> 00:01:52,660 Happy Friday to you all. 49 00:01:52,660 --> 00:01:55,075 I am Caitlin Madden, 50 00:01:55,075 --> 00:01:56,709 graduate assistant with 51 00:01:56,709 --> 00:01:58,300 the US them Office of 52 00:01:58,300 --> 00:02:00,369 Research and Kotler Institute. 53 00:02:00,369 --> 00:02:03,130 And today I have the pleasure and 54 00:02:03,130 --> 00:02:04,449 privilege of being 55 00:02:04,449 --> 00:02:07,179 your moderator and zoom MC. 56 00:02:07,179 --> 00:02:10,449 So a few quick technical notes 57 00:02:10,449 --> 00:02:12,654 before we get started. 58 00:02:12,654 --> 00:02:17,440 We will be recording this workshop event for 59 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,310 the US Office of Research archive and to be 60 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:23,440 made available for anyone in the US and 61 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,110 Community who was unable to attend today. 62 00:02:26,110 --> 00:02:28,420 If you do not wish to have 63 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:30,914 your video included, please be sure. 64 00:02:30,914 --> 00:02:33,289 Turn that off now by clicking stop 65 00:02:33,289 --> 00:02:36,589 video at the bottom of your zoom window. 66 00:02:36,589 --> 00:02:38,810 Also, we are going to be 67 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:41,059 providing closed captioning today. 68 00:02:41,059 --> 00:02:43,399 If you wish to utilize this, 69 00:02:43,399 --> 00:02:45,740 just go ahead and click the link for 70 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:47,150 closed captioning that's in 71 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:49,715 the chat to turn those on. 72 00:02:49,715 --> 00:02:52,609 For the duration of this event, 73 00:02:52,609 --> 00:02:55,084 all participants will be muted. 74 00:02:55,084 --> 00:02:57,965 We're going to open up the chat momentarily. 75 00:02:57,965 --> 00:02:59,870 And if you have any questions 76 00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:01,849 while the presentation is happening, 77 00:03:01,849 --> 00:03:03,200 you can submit them into 78 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,735 the chat and the bottom of the tool bar. 79 00:03:05,735 --> 00:03:08,180 B will answer your questions once we 80 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:10,820 reached the Q and a portion of today's event. 81 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:12,919 Today we have with us Tracey 82 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,120 meager Of 83 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,549 the Office of Research and color Institute, 84 00:03:16,549 --> 00:03:18,050 and she will be helping me 85 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:19,564 out behind the scenes. 86 00:03:19,564 --> 00:03:22,190 So if you have any technical questions, 87 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:23,660 please go ahead and send those 88 00:03:23,660 --> 00:03:25,099 directly to us, 89 00:03:25,099 --> 00:03:26,539 either of us in the chat, 90 00:03:26,539 --> 00:03:28,295 and we'll be happy to help you. 91 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:32,119 So now it is my great pleasure to 92 00:03:32,119 --> 00:03:33,574 introduce and welcome 93 00:03:33,574 --> 00:03:36,154 our workshop presenter for today's event. 94 00:03:36,154 --> 00:03:40,339 Today we have with us Dr. Terry Chicago is 95 00:03:40,339 --> 00:03:44,300 the Senior Policy Associate for research and 96 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:46,969 economic development and the coordinator 97 00:03:46,969 --> 00:03:50,089 of the main economic improvement fund. 98 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:53,294 So without further ado, 99 00:03:53,294 --> 00:03:54,970 here is Dr. Shamata to 100 00:03:54,970 --> 00:03:56,904 talk to us about grant writing, 101 00:03:56,904 --> 00:04:06,999 and we hope you enjoy vega. 102 00:04:06,999 --> 00:04:09,190 Thank you Kaelyn, and 103 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:11,050 thank you for the introduction, 104 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:13,359 but I prefer folks economy 105 00:04:13,359 --> 00:04:15,174 terry Instead of Docker. 106 00:04:15,174 --> 00:04:17,260 So I appreciate the edge or anybody has 107 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:19,194 any questions I just asked me. 108 00:04:19,194 --> 00:04:20,499 I know many of you on 109 00:04:20,499 --> 00:04:23,139 the chat us who's run a screen. 110 00:04:23,139 --> 00:04:24,910 So what I'm trying to do 111 00:04:24,910 --> 00:04:26,320 today is coming to be 112 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,960 a perspective of how 113 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,345 to become more competitive grant writing. 114 00:04:31,345 --> 00:04:32,830 I'm not going to be talking 115 00:04:32,830 --> 00:04:37,000 about identifying opportunities. 116 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,619 I think there are other, there are 117 00:04:38,619 --> 00:04:42,459 other parts of the symposium that you can, 118 00:04:42,459 --> 00:04:44,290 that you can access. 119 00:04:44,290 --> 00:04:46,900 But out what I want to make sure is that once 120 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:49,660 you identify an opportunity, 121 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:53,199 how can you develop a competitive proposal? 122 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:55,375 And my presentation is, 123 00:04:55,375 --> 00:04:56,590 it's kind of interesting, 124 00:04:56,590 --> 00:04:59,439 is cartooning sort of speak. 125 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:01,000 But it's really based 126 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:07,224 on organizing what you're trying to do. 127 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:09,790 That's based on the kind 128 00:05:09,790 --> 00:05:11,695 of the pitfalls that, 129 00:05:11,695 --> 00:05:14,109 that that that we've many folks have 130 00:05:14,109 --> 00:05:17,439 identified that make proposals uncompetitive. 131 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,645 So if I can do so, 132 00:05:20,645 --> 00:05:21,949 let me share the screen. 133 00:05:21,949 --> 00:05:28,020 I hope this works. All right. 134 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:31,319 Can everybody see this? 135 00:05:32,140 --> 00:05:37,249 Yes, TO maintain? All right, good. 136 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:40,940 So so what I'm 137 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:42,859 gonna do is kinda give you a quick overview. 138 00:05:42,859 --> 00:05:45,560 How did the successful grant 139 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,990 that avoids common proposal pitfalls? 140 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:51,124 Uhhh. One of the first things that 141 00:05:51,124 --> 00:05:55,610 that that that how I always get 142 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:57,380 from folks or give up 143 00:05:57,380 --> 00:06:00,169 your proposals is they get 144 00:06:00,169 --> 00:06:02,450 confused in terms of the various sections of 145 00:06:02,450 --> 00:06:05,630 our proposal that sees more linear. 146 00:06:05,630 --> 00:06:07,489 And some folks are linear and 147 00:06:07,489 --> 00:06:09,455 thought they developed their goals, 148 00:06:09,455 --> 00:06:10,954 outcomes, background, 149 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:12,200 justification, so on and so 150 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,240 forth. That's on the right side. 151 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,065 And then on and on and on the left side 152 00:06:18,065 --> 00:06:22,040 is a more iterative process, 153 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,100 which is more common to everybody else. 154 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:28,610 But point is this don't get hung up in terms 155 00:06:28,610 --> 00:06:30,500 of writing different sections 156 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:31,984 in a linear fashion. 157 00:06:31,984 --> 00:06:34,565 If you're a linear, go right ahead. 158 00:06:34,565 --> 00:06:36,185 If you're iterative, 159 00:06:36,185 --> 00:06:37,309 you're going to start 160 00:06:37,309 --> 00:06:38,779 with the implementation, 161 00:06:38,779 --> 00:06:41,659 maybe dissemination plan. That's what. 162 00:06:41,659 --> 00:06:45,364 Funders looking up for maybe the goals, 163 00:06:45,364 --> 00:06:46,444 maybe the background, 164 00:06:46,444 --> 00:06:47,690 maybe you justification, 165 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:49,070 go back and forth. 166 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:50,674 That makes you feel comfortable. 167 00:06:50,674 --> 00:06:52,984 That's how I, hey, 168 00:06:52,984 --> 00:06:54,635 I devote my proposal. 169 00:06:54,635 --> 00:06:55,700 I don't wanna get stuck in 170 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:57,740 a particular section because I 171 00:06:57,740 --> 00:07:00,229 need to think about that particular section. 172 00:07:00,229 --> 00:07:01,420 I may sleep on it. 173 00:07:01,420 --> 00:07:03,170 An accurate idea going to come back the 174 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:05,119 other day and work on it. 175 00:07:05,119 --> 00:07:09,785 But I know for a peace of mind, 176 00:07:09,785 --> 00:07:11,629 it might be better for it 177 00:07:11,629 --> 00:07:13,999 or model that works for you. 178 00:07:13,999 --> 00:07:16,474 Because you can go back and forth. 179 00:07:16,474 --> 00:07:18,859 Because we can guarantee you By 180 00:07:18,859 --> 00:07:21,109 the time what you thought of in 181 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:22,399 terms of what you want to do at 182 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:24,439 the beginning of her proposal will be 183 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:26,240 drastically different at the end 184 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,409 of a writing before you 185 00:07:27,409 --> 00:07:29,210 submit the proposal because 186 00:07:29,210 --> 00:07:31,234 you're constantly thinking of it. 187 00:07:31,234 --> 00:07:32,840 So that's where I was trying 188 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,340 to show from this slide. 189 00:07:34,340 --> 00:07:35,780 There is a difference between 190 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:37,145 an iterative model. 191 00:07:37,145 --> 00:07:40,985 Here, a model. There's no right answer. 192 00:07:40,985 --> 00:07:42,200 Which one did you take? 193 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,479 It's based on how you think. 194 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:48,079 Alright, so, so do consider 195 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:50,210 those two different approaches 196 00:07:50,210 --> 00:07:52,740 as you write your proposal. 197 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:57,440 Alright, so anybody who has 198 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,700 not or is in 199 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:01,400 the early stages of writing a proposal, 200 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,139 you need to understand 201 00:08:03,139 --> 00:08:04,969 the current environment in 202 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:06,709 a grant writing world. 203 00:08:06,709 --> 00:08:08,495 Whether it's for profit, 204 00:08:08,495 --> 00:08:10,009 I'm sorry, whether it's federal, 205 00:08:10,009 --> 00:08:11,300 state, or a 206 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:14,809 non-profit philanthropic environment. 207 00:08:14,809 --> 00:08:18,245 The competition is very significant. 208 00:08:18,245 --> 00:08:21,755 It may range from five to 35%. 209 00:08:21,755 --> 00:08:24,380 For the first proposal that you submit, 210 00:08:24,380 --> 00:08:28,009 it obviously might be 0%. 211 00:08:28,009 --> 00:08:30,920 So more than half of those 212 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,470 are rejected are because 213 00:08:33,470 --> 00:08:36,139 the applicant has not followed the directions 214 00:08:36,139 --> 00:08:38,045 and they did not match 215 00:08:38,045 --> 00:08:40,640 the requirements of the thunder. 216 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,489 So the message here is 217 00:08:43,489 --> 00:08:45,829 that you really need to make 218 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:48,949 sure that your concept 219 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:51,889 fits the requirements of the funder. 220 00:08:51,889 --> 00:08:54,409 If it does, the next thing 221 00:08:54,409 --> 00:08:56,360 that you need to do is to make sure 222 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,220 that your father requirements 223 00:08:58,220 --> 00:09:01,880 of the funders outline. 224 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,740 It turns a high. Submit the proposal. 225 00:09:06,190 --> 00:09:13,189 Here's what's going on here, or there you go. 226 00:09:13,189 --> 00:09:20,370 Okay. So let me back up for a second. 227 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,779 Oops. Okay, sorry about that. 228 00:09:25,779 --> 00:09:27,760 I think there's another slide. 229 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,685 It shows that success rates 230 00:09:30,685 --> 00:09:34,420 increase even if you fail, 231 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:36,220 but you resubmit your proposal, 232 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:38,740 it's going to increase because you have 233 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:40,629 a a a relationship with 234 00:09:40,629 --> 00:09:42,895 a Program Officer that I'll explain later. 235 00:09:42,895 --> 00:09:45,489 But even though these are low rates and 236 00:09:45,489 --> 00:09:48,564 initial initial application submission, 237 00:09:48,564 --> 00:09:50,454 they increase once you 238 00:09:50,454 --> 00:09:52,660 resubmit point being necess, 239 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:54,520 once you fall off a horse, 240 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,665 get on our course and go forward. 241 00:09:56,665 --> 00:09:58,690 Don't be frustrated. 242 00:09:58,690 --> 00:10:00,519 Just go forward and 243 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:02,499 address the requirements LB reviews, 244 00:10:02,499 --> 00:10:05,029 and I'll explain that hopefully. 245 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:11,320 So these are kinds of 246 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,755 the comments that comfort 247 00:10:14,755 --> 00:10:17,439 reviewers and a pretty harsh. 248 00:10:17,439 --> 00:10:19,930 So everybody needs to 249 00:10:19,930 --> 00:10:23,090 understand once they submit a proposal, 250 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:26,680 as if it fails to be fun, 251 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,689 that you're going to get really 252 00:10:28,689 --> 00:10:31,075 good comments from reviewers. 253 00:10:31,075 --> 00:10:33,609 Some of them are good comments, 254 00:10:33,609 --> 00:10:36,070 some of them are decent. 255 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:38,079 Sunburn aren't really harsh. 256 00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:40,150 You have to have a heart skin 257 00:10:40,150 --> 00:10:42,070 because those comments are going 258 00:10:42,070 --> 00:10:43,944 to help you out significantly. 259 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:47,520 Once you resubmit and revise your proposal, 260 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,759 make sure that you 261 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:52,550 take those comments at heart and 262 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:54,770 incorporate those comments in 263 00:10:54,770 --> 00:10:56,449 your revision to 264 00:10:56,449 --> 00:10:59,390 your proposal once you resubmit. 265 00:10:59,390 --> 00:11:03,019 So I'm not going to read these bullets. 266 00:11:03,019 --> 00:11:05,809 You can read them. But, you know, 267 00:11:05,809 --> 00:11:07,490 that can be very harsh. 268 00:11:07,490 --> 00:11:09,395 And I've known her love 269 00:11:09,395 --> 00:11:11,569 of faculty members that once I get 270 00:11:11,569 --> 00:11:12,739 those kinds of comments and say 271 00:11:12,739 --> 00:11:13,969 I'm not going to send them because I 272 00:11:13,969 --> 00:11:15,170 don't like this comments in 273 00:11:15,170 --> 00:11:16,850 there. They're pretty harsh. 274 00:11:16,850 --> 00:11:18,589 If you're really aren't interested 275 00:11:18,589 --> 00:11:20,930 in getting into the grant writing, 276 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:23,270 fielding, getting those kinds of findings, 277 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:25,355 you really have to grow 278 00:11:25,355 --> 00:11:28,249 a thick skin because 279 00:11:28,249 --> 00:11:30,599 that's, that's going to work for you. 280 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,610 So when you write, 281 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:36,260 so that, that said, 282 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:37,925 when you write a proposal, 283 00:11:37,925 --> 00:11:40,265 you need to consider good reviewer. 284 00:11:40,265 --> 00:11:44,630 And and and those CMS it in different form. 285 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:46,595 Many of the federal and state 286 00:11:46,595 --> 00:11:52,219 have applications have that review panels. 287 00:11:52,219 --> 00:11:55,084 And those who 288 00:11:55,084 --> 00:11:58,909 review panels review the proposals. 289 00:11:58,909 --> 00:12:00,380 And then they'd make 290 00:12:00,380 --> 00:12:03,140 a recommendation to their program coordinator 291 00:12:03,140 --> 00:12:05,600 at at at who heads 292 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,330 a panel at the federal state organizations. 293 00:12:08,330 --> 00:12:09,919 And does all those 294 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:11,765 individuals make your decision? 295 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:15,979 A Federal level, there are some agencies, 296 00:12:15,979 --> 00:12:17,930 like the Department of Defense, 297 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:19,249 better review panels to make 298 00:12:19,249 --> 00:12:21,994 the final decisions at NSF. 299 00:12:21,994 --> 00:12:23,074 Review panels, 300 00:12:23,074 --> 00:12:24,875 make their recommendations are broken. 301 00:12:24,875 --> 00:12:26,719 Program officer and he 302 00:12:26,719 --> 00:12:28,610 or she makes the final decision. 303 00:12:28,610 --> 00:12:30,829 That that varies within 304 00:12:30,829 --> 00:12:34,999 the different federal stick organizations. 305 00:12:34,999 --> 00:12:37,759 In a private foundations. 306 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,430 The staff usually screens of 307 00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:42,110 proposals that make a recommendation 308 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:44,220 to program director. 309 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,819 And that's really key. 310 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,289 And you need to understand that 311 00:12:51,289 --> 00:12:54,320 even if your proposal is competitive, 312 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,500 all reviewers were trying, 313 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:00,770 will try to identify 314 00:13:00,770 --> 00:13:02,945 the weakest point in your proposal. 315 00:13:02,945 --> 00:13:06,575 Once they make the reviews. That's calm. 316 00:13:06,575 --> 00:13:09,739 Alright, so the market pet of your proposal 317 00:13:09,739 --> 00:13:14,270 is the more criticism you may get back. 318 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:16,609 Yes. But don't worry about that. 319 00:13:16,609 --> 00:13:18,440 It really is based on 320 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,389 the reviews that come from 321 00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:23,389 those individuals on a review panel that 322 00:13:23,389 --> 00:13:24,800 have an axe to grind 323 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,510 and it might not be against you, 324 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:28,550 but it's just the way they think. 325 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:30,409 So that's a negative, 326 00:13:30,409 --> 00:13:31,580 but don't worry it by dy 327 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:33,929 as it goes through this process. 328 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:40,384 So when you think about grant writing, 329 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:42,680 your success is really based on 330 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:48,635 your ideas that eliminates any of the tuples. 331 00:13:48,635 --> 00:13:53,749 So there are really many examples that show 332 00:13:53,749 --> 00:13:56,000 that your idea made it maybe 333 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,089 the best slice of bread in the world. 334 00:13:59,089 --> 00:14:01,490 But because the way you wrote 335 00:14:01,490 --> 00:14:03,830 to proposal really undermines 336 00:14:03,830 --> 00:14:05,824 what you're trying to get across. 337 00:14:05,824 --> 00:14:07,220 So let me share some 338 00:14:07,220 --> 00:14:09,480 of those pitfalls for you. 339 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:13,170 But before I get that, 340 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:17,510 when you identify something 341 00:14:17,510 --> 00:14:18,950 that you want to write about, 342 00:14:18,950 --> 00:14:20,779 and I think many of you on 343 00:14:20,779 --> 00:14:24,090 this call have a depreciation of that. 344 00:14:24,910 --> 00:14:27,440 One thing that I want to emphasize 345 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,549 to everybody 346 00:14:28,549 --> 00:14:31,849 here is not to chase the money. 347 00:14:31,849 --> 00:14:34,339 There are many opportunities 348 00:14:34,339 --> 00:14:35,540 for, for federal, 349 00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:38,119 state and foundation grants that 350 00:14:38,119 --> 00:14:41,254 fit any opportunity to anyone they think of. 351 00:14:41,254 --> 00:14:43,249 But would you, What you do 352 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:45,484 not want to do is to 353 00:14:45,484 --> 00:14:47,629 modify what you're trying to 354 00:14:47,629 --> 00:14:50,810 accomplish to fit the needs of a funder. 355 00:14:50,810 --> 00:14:52,729 That's what I'm trying to get at in terms 356 00:14:52,729 --> 00:14:54,919 of not chasing the Thunder. 357 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:56,000 You need to know 358 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,619 what you're passionate about. 359 00:14:57,619 --> 00:14:59,869 What is the problem you're trying 360 00:14:59,869 --> 00:15:02,135 to solve and why that's important? 361 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:05,569 And how what you're trying to 362 00:15:05,569 --> 00:15:08,900 accomplish adds value to 363 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:11,660 existing knowledge and adds more knowledge. 364 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:13,654 So why is their idea better? 365 00:15:13,654 --> 00:15:15,604 How is it unique and different? 366 00:15:15,604 --> 00:15:17,480 And, and what will it contribute? 367 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,355 And who will benefit from that? 368 00:15:19,355 --> 00:15:23,180 Once you really have a good idea and what, 369 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:24,680 and how to answer this question 370 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,270 in terms of starting point. 371 00:15:26,270 --> 00:15:27,649 Then when you go through 372 00:15:27,649 --> 00:15:28,849 the process of working 373 00:15:28,849 --> 00:15:31,114 with a research service center and Laura, 374 00:15:31,114 --> 00:15:32,900 trace it and whoever it Caitlin 375 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:34,894 and identify funding opportunity. 376 00:15:34,894 --> 00:15:37,355 You need to match that passion 377 00:15:37,355 --> 00:15:39,154 with a funding opportunity. 378 00:15:39,154 --> 00:15:41,959 What you need to be careful of is not to 379 00:15:41,959 --> 00:15:43,730 sacrifice what your passion 380 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:45,019 is with the funding. 381 00:15:45,019 --> 00:15:47,464 Don't chase the money. Don't taste them. 382 00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:49,309 Because at some point in time we need to make 383 00:15:49,309 --> 00:15:50,539 a decision whether or 384 00:15:50,539 --> 00:15:52,204 not this is really important for, 385 00:15:52,204 --> 00:15:54,720 for where you're trying to accomplish. 386 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,330 Okay? So that being said, 387 00:15:59,330 --> 00:16:01,250 a pitfall number one, 388 00:16:01,250 --> 00:16:03,994 is a poor fit based on what I just said, 389 00:16:03,994 --> 00:16:07,099 make sure that what you're trying to 390 00:16:07,099 --> 00:16:12,244 accomplish fits with the needs of the funder. 391 00:16:12,244 --> 00:16:14,720 One way to do that is, you know, 392 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,780 a paragraph is summarize 393 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:19,415 where you're trying to accomplish 394 00:16:19,415 --> 00:16:22,640 with the outcomes are make sure that you read 395 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,559 the program announcement because 396 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:25,610 that program officers are going 397 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:26,974 to ask you that question. 398 00:16:26,974 --> 00:16:30,469 So make sure your your your question to 399 00:16:30,469 --> 00:16:33,650 the program officer understands 400 00:16:33,650 --> 00:16:36,365 what the requirement of the announcement is. 401 00:16:36,365 --> 00:16:39,454 So note so write a paragraph or question. 402 00:16:39,454 --> 00:16:41,465 This is what I'm trying to do. 403 00:16:41,465 --> 00:16:43,805 This I want to try to accomplish 404 00:16:43,805 --> 00:16:45,349 this is how I will do it in 405 00:16:45,349 --> 00:16:48,575 a paragraph or to send that email 406 00:16:48,575 --> 00:16:51,170 to your program officer 407 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:53,540 and then follow up that any now. 408 00:16:53,540 --> 00:16:55,459 So I'm going to call you in 409 00:16:55,459 --> 00:16:58,580 the next week or so to have that discussion. 410 00:16:58,580 --> 00:17:00,890 Do not cold call that problem. 411 00:17:00,890 --> 00:17:03,770 Often. Send that email to them. 412 00:17:03,770 --> 00:17:05,660 And that they will respond to 413 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:07,490 you if they do not follow up. 414 00:17:07,490 --> 00:17:09,650 That's a second email to, you know, 415 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:13,175 in the past week, I select to schedule call. 416 00:17:13,175 --> 00:17:14,779 Invariably they'll do that. 417 00:17:14,779 --> 00:17:16,999 Repurpose of their job is 418 00:17:16,999 --> 00:17:19,520 to help you be more competitive. 419 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,265 So so your Program Officer really is 420 00:17:22,265 --> 00:17:24,859 really important in making 421 00:17:24,859 --> 00:17:29,614 sure that you make 422 00:17:29,614 --> 00:17:31,520 sure that you get 423 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,810 the opportunity to get funding 424 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:34,235 for bed in New Jersey. 425 00:17:34,235 --> 00:17:36,709 And once you get those funds that you 426 00:17:36,709 --> 00:17:40,250 continuously additional support from 427 00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:42,184 one project to the next. 428 00:17:42,184 --> 00:17:43,550 So that program officer 429 00:17:43,550 --> 00:17:45,410 is really, really important. 430 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:46,789 That person is really 431 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:49,099 your best friend in making sure 432 00:17:49,099 --> 00:17:51,230 that you engage with 433 00:17:51,230 --> 00:17:52,924 that with our funding agency. 434 00:17:52,924 --> 00:17:54,695 So make sure that 435 00:17:54,695 --> 00:17:56,689 there's a great fit between what you're 436 00:17:56,689 --> 00:17:59,299 trying to accomplish and 437 00:17:59,299 --> 00:18:00,679 with the program announcement. 438 00:18:00,679 --> 00:18:02,510 And the best way to do that is 439 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:05,430 making contact with the problem buffs. 440 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,799 Next pitfall is really having 441 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:11,480 a poor organization 442 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,969 in developing or proposal. 443 00:18:13,969 --> 00:18:18,230 And, you know, I've outlined a few outlines. 444 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:20,165 There are typical proposals. 445 00:18:20,165 --> 00:18:22,399 Those varies vary based 446 00:18:22,399 --> 00:18:24,740 on the requirements of the thunder. 447 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:27,170 So this is not, you know, 448 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:29,270 what everybody does is it 449 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:31,700 really varies from one to the other, 450 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:34,204 but this is kind of the common ways 451 00:18:34,204 --> 00:18:36,065 that funders look at 452 00:18:36,065 --> 00:18:39,020 whether it's a research education proposal 453 00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:40,969 or another kind of proposal. 454 00:18:40,969 --> 00:18:42,889 But the point being is this, 455 00:18:42,889 --> 00:18:45,245 you need to structure your proposal 456 00:18:45,245 --> 00:18:48,229 based on a requirement of the funder. 457 00:18:48,229 --> 00:18:50,060 Do not deviate to not 458 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:52,430 get smart and identifying 459 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:54,695 new section in your proposal that's 460 00:18:54,695 --> 00:18:57,244 outside of what the funder is looking for. 461 00:18:57,244 --> 00:18:59,105 So be very specific 462 00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:02,430 and follow the rules of the funder. 463 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:06,955 And then the fingers will say, 464 00:19:06,955 --> 00:19:08,875 at the bottom of the slide, 465 00:19:08,875 --> 00:19:11,035 we need supporting documentation. 466 00:19:11,035 --> 00:19:12,340 Or they may say, 467 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:15,189 we do not need supporting documentation. 468 00:19:15,189 --> 00:19:18,234 If they need supporting documentation though, 469 00:19:18,234 --> 00:19:20,410 they will outline what they really 470 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:23,004 need to not go off script with that. 471 00:19:23,004 --> 00:19:25,660 If they do not need supporting documentation, 472 00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:26,995 do not give them supporting 473 00:19:26,995 --> 00:19:28,965 documentation are. 474 00:19:28,965 --> 00:19:30,759 So I mean, that's straightforward. 475 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:32,949 Don't give him any more information that are 476 00:19:32,949 --> 00:19:36,560 requesting and don't voluntary anything us. 477 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:41,959 The third pitfall is a weak argument. 478 00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:45,230 And this is very important. 479 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:50,199 So when you outline your project, 480 00:19:50,199 --> 00:19:53,110 you need to make some justification. 481 00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:57,220 In lighter, your project is really important. 482 00:19:57,220 --> 00:20:00,355 Do not express your opinion. 483 00:20:00,355 --> 00:20:02,635 Opinions do not matter. 484 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:05,380 What you need to make sure that when 485 00:20:05,380 --> 00:20:09,370 you outline wire, project has importance. 486 00:20:09,370 --> 00:20:11,035 It's really based on 487 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:14,409 offer, authoritative result sources. 488 00:20:14,409 --> 00:20:16,449 What are the documentation's 489 00:20:16,449 --> 00:20:18,295 one, there are references. 490 00:20:18,295 --> 00:20:21,234 So I've seen a lot of 491 00:20:21,234 --> 00:20:23,020 proposals because I've been a reviewer that 492 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:25,359 folks have really express their opinion. 493 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,319 And that's I really No, no. 494 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,559 I don't care about your opinion. 495 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:31,760 What I want to make sure 496 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,319 is that where you're trying to 497 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:34,519 emphasize in terms of 498 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,340 your project is really based on 499 00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:39,469 competition from research projects 500 00:20:39,469 --> 00:20:41,990 or peer-reviewed references 501 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:43,445 from other individuals. 502 00:20:43,445 --> 00:20:45,110 That's really important. 503 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:48,695 Hurry. So opinions do not matter. 504 00:20:48,695 --> 00:20:50,899 In fact, that's a no, no. 505 00:20:50,899 --> 00:20:53,480 If you don't have any references work of 506 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,530 why you're just defining 507 00:20:54,530 --> 00:20:56,449 points of your project. 508 00:20:56,449 --> 00:20:58,130 Your project is not, 509 00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:00,210 is not going to go forward. 510 00:21:02,380 --> 00:21:06,289 The other is high 511 00:21:06,289 --> 00:21:10,070 you the next clip 4s gyrating jargon. 512 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:13,714 That's that's really important. 513 00:21:13,714 --> 00:21:15,740 And I think that a few of us on the call, 514 00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:17,584 including me, we grew 515 00:21:17,584 --> 00:21:19,595 reviews are a lot of proposals. 516 00:21:19,595 --> 00:21:21,559 What you have to understand when you 517 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:24,274 submit a proposal to an agency, 518 00:21:24,274 --> 00:21:27,125 particularly federal and state agencies. 519 00:21:27,125 --> 00:21:29,580 More so for Federal 520 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,409 a few members of 521 00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:35,360 most other members of 522 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,655 the review panel I generalists. 523 00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:39,379 There might be one or two folks at 524 00:21:39,379 --> 00:21:42,199 first specific areas that you're proposing. 525 00:21:42,199 --> 00:21:45,244 So for the other members, 526 00:21:45,244 --> 00:21:48,635 you want to make it more general in 527 00:21:48,635 --> 00:21:51,859 terms of your description of your project. 528 00:21:51,859 --> 00:21:54,109 And in doing so, you want to 529 00:21:54,109 --> 00:21:56,090 avoid any jargon say 530 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:57,474 to you do not understand 531 00:21:57,474 --> 00:22:00,365 abbreviations that are not qualified. 532 00:22:00,365 --> 00:22:04,370 Languages are enough familiar with statements 533 00:22:04,370 --> 00:22:08,600 that are not familiar with it, 534 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,980 as well as acronyms. 535 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:12,499 So you really have to make 536 00:22:12,499 --> 00:22:15,709 sure that you avoid any jargons. 537 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,630 Because most of the folks on 538 00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:19,249 a review panel I generalists 539 00:22:19,249 --> 00:22:20,899 and you do not understand 540 00:22:20,899 --> 00:22:22,999 that particular field that you're in. 541 00:22:22,999 --> 00:22:26,930 So you have to use acronyms, 542 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:30,589 make sure you qualify those acronyms, 543 00:22:30,589 --> 00:22:33,110 but do not use any jargons that 544 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:34,520 to common individual 545 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,779 really doesn't understand. 546 00:22:35,779 --> 00:22:37,160 And that's going to be critical, 547 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,224 especially as federal funds for finding eggs. 548 00:22:41,224 --> 00:22:44,869 Another thing that is really annoying 549 00:22:44,869 --> 00:22:48,020 too many reviewers is a use of 550 00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:51,814 passive versus active voice. 551 00:22:51,814 --> 00:22:55,940 Please, please do not use passive voice. 552 00:22:55,940 --> 00:22:58,204 Use active voice. 553 00:22:58,204 --> 00:23:00,079 And this slide gives you 554 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,629 a few examples how to do that. 555 00:23:02,629 --> 00:23:05,629 Not only does it alleviate 556 00:23:05,629 --> 00:23:08,914 the pain under reviewers and they're reading, 557 00:23:08,914 --> 00:23:11,569 but I can guarantee you when you 558 00:23:11,569 --> 00:23:14,345 use active voice versus passive voice, 559 00:23:14,345 --> 00:23:16,369 you're going to save a lot 560 00:23:16,369 --> 00:23:18,350 of space in your writing. 561 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:20,089 This very critical, what do you 562 00:23:20,089 --> 00:23:22,979 have to meet a patient limitation? 563 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:28,459 So so what I'm trying to say 564 00:23:28,459 --> 00:23:32,450 is that not all just active voice is better, 565 00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:34,159 but it's also better when you're 566 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,229 trying to save space in your proposal. 567 00:23:36,229 --> 00:23:38,075 And that really works, believe me. 568 00:23:38,075 --> 00:23:39,799 So use active voice all 569 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:43,410 the time as opposed to passive voice. 570 00:23:45,310 --> 00:23:47,779 What are they really 571 00:23:47,779 --> 00:23:49,564 next pitfall whenever they're 572 00:23:49,564 --> 00:23:54,019 really critical features of, of, 573 00:23:54,019 --> 00:23:57,664 of any proposal he's up in your introduction, 574 00:23:57,664 --> 00:24:00,770 which really states what the state-of-the-art 575 00:24:00,770 --> 00:24:02,750 as what did deficiencies 576 00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:04,819 of the pay gap is all about. 577 00:24:04,819 --> 00:24:06,590 And based on that gap, 578 00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:08,705 what are the issues you're going to address? 579 00:24:08,705 --> 00:24:10,279 And based on that, how 580 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:11,749 are you going to address them 581 00:24:11,749 --> 00:24:14,119 that gave to your goals 582 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,429 and objectives for a project? 583 00:24:16,429 --> 00:24:19,309 Many folks, once they get to 584 00:24:19,309 --> 00:24:20,840 that point in that section 585 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,760 of the proposal, they, 586 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,245 their they have a very difficult way 587 00:24:27,245 --> 00:24:29,014 of identifying 588 00:24:29,014 --> 00:24:32,195 what their very specific objectives 589 00:24:32,195 --> 00:24:33,470 and how they're going to measure 590 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:36,050 those based on kind 591 00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:38,630 of the tail end of their introduction. 592 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:42,304 So that becomes really very important. 593 00:24:42,304 --> 00:24:44,419 If you're going to say, 594 00:24:44,419 --> 00:24:46,955 you're going to address in a generic way. 595 00:24:46,955 --> 00:24:48,590 This is what I'm going to 596 00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:51,065 redress based on deficiency. 597 00:24:51,065 --> 00:24:53,165 Your goals and objectives 598 00:24:53,165 --> 00:24:55,189 half-full align with that. 599 00:24:55,189 --> 00:24:58,040 And many folks have a problem with 600 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,805 making sure the alignment exists. 601 00:25:01,805 --> 00:25:04,789 So that alignment of goals and 602 00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:06,229 objectives has to be very 603 00:25:06,229 --> 00:25:08,759 specific and very measurable. 604 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,735 If you can't do that, 605 00:25:10,735 --> 00:25:12,040 you're going to have a problem with 606 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,959 the reviewers because they 607 00:25:13,959 --> 00:25:15,490 can't make a connection. 608 00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:16,810 They're going to say, you 609 00:25:16,810 --> 00:25:18,415 said this in the intro. 610 00:25:18,415 --> 00:25:20,215 These aren't deficiencies. 611 00:25:20,215 --> 00:25:22,329 This is where I'm gonna dress. 612 00:25:22,329 --> 00:25:23,889 But when it comes to the goals and 613 00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:25,269 objectives that are really 614 00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:27,070 into the work plan, 615 00:25:27,070 --> 00:25:29,080 they're going to have a heart problem 616 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,310 making that kind of connection. 617 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:32,215 So it's really verse seven. 618 00:25:32,215 --> 00:25:36,245 So the next slide here is what, 619 00:25:36,245 --> 00:25:39,265 what we term as a use of a logic model. 620 00:25:39,265 --> 00:25:40,749 And this is what we use 621 00:25:40,749 --> 00:25:42,579 a lot and you're couplers to, 622 00:25:42,579 --> 00:25:45,684 because what it does is it aligns 623 00:25:45,684 --> 00:25:47,020 with what you're trying to 624 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:49,135 dress in terms that community needs, 625 00:25:49,135 --> 00:25:51,210 what the strategies are, 626 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:53,419 inputs, the activities outputs, 627 00:25:53,419 --> 00:25:55,580 short-term outcomes, 628 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:57,935 midterm, and long-term outcomes. 629 00:25:57,935 --> 00:26:01,040 Once you go through this exercise. 630 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,395 And it's really, it may be 631 00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:05,330 difficult because you may not 632 00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:08,014 have addressed that in the past. 633 00:26:08,014 --> 00:26:11,059 If you have a problem with this model, 634 00:26:11,059 --> 00:26:13,310 call me or Maggie, 635 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,829 to colored suit will help you up. 636 00:26:15,829 --> 00:26:16,835 But this is, 637 00:26:16,835 --> 00:26:18,829 this logic models really critical 638 00:26:18,829 --> 00:26:20,089 because it's going to help 639 00:26:20,089 --> 00:26:22,219 you align with the, 640 00:26:22,219 --> 00:26:24,170 with a problem or that community 641 00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:27,245 needs and how to address those needs. 642 00:26:27,245 --> 00:26:29,810 That then you can make sure that 643 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:33,785 your outcomes are aligned with those needs. 644 00:26:33,785 --> 00:26:36,109 And that will significantly help 645 00:26:36,109 --> 00:26:38,210 you in developing the work plan, 646 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:41,459 things to develop for the proposal. 647 00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:47,209 Alright? And that this is 648 00:26:47,209 --> 00:26:48,709 an extension of what I 649 00:26:48,709 --> 00:26:51,544 talk about pitfall number six. 650 00:26:51,544 --> 00:26:53,749 If you do not have 651 00:26:53,749 --> 00:26:56,240 a real clear research find, 652 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,834 really become they say 653 00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,080 what you need to do is 654 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,819 based on a logic model, 655 00:27:01,819 --> 00:27:03,845 is to specify 656 00:27:03,845 --> 00:27:07,265 your specific tasks and timelines. 657 00:27:07,265 --> 00:27:09,289 Please use flowcharts, 658 00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:12,125 counters are a grand charts, 659 00:27:12,125 --> 00:27:15,125 Gantt charts, and as well as visualize. 660 00:27:15,125 --> 00:27:16,985 Project kind of single-page. 661 00:27:16,985 --> 00:27:18,860 Don't take several pages, 662 00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:20,270 minimize the number of pages 663 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:21,770 you're going either because you have 664 00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:25,860 limited number of pages that you're allowed. 665 00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:30,154 The other pitfall is, 666 00:27:30,154 --> 00:27:32,239 I think I mentioned before is 667 00:27:32,239 --> 00:27:34,610 that you really need to follow 668 00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:37,714 the guidelines in the statement 669 00:27:37,714 --> 00:27:40,985 in the program and ask them to the letter. 670 00:27:40,985 --> 00:27:44,449 Do not deviate to not get smart. 671 00:27:44,449 --> 00:27:46,910 They're going to say, OK, 672 00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:48,590 you're limited to 15 pages 673 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:50,494 for the application. 674 00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:54,290 If he goes 14 or 13, sorry, 50 pages, 675 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:56,825 if you go 16 pages, 676 00:27:56,825 --> 00:27:59,090 we're not going to accept that. 677 00:27:59,090 --> 00:28:01,730 They may say we'll accept the 15 pages, 678 00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:03,815 but we're going to discard this 16 page. 679 00:28:03,815 --> 00:28:06,589 It really depends on the agency. 680 00:28:06,589 --> 00:28:08,449 You may go 14 pages was 681 00:28:08,449 --> 00:28:10,924 find say a maximum of 15. 682 00:28:10,924 --> 00:28:12,499 Do not go over that. 683 00:28:12,499 --> 00:28:13,939 They're going to specify 684 00:28:13,939 --> 00:28:16,370 the font margin and spacing. 685 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:18,274 You need to fall that 686 00:28:18,274 --> 00:28:20,720 any other certification that's 687 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,385 required for the application, 688 00:28:22,385 --> 00:28:23,630 that's where you work with 689 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:24,890 us on research service 690 00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:26,105 safer and it'll help you 691 00:28:26,105 --> 00:28:29,309 forgot what those certifications are. 692 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,759 Budget inheritor, many of 693 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:32,959 those are missing needed 694 00:28:32,959 --> 00:28:34,220 to make sure if they're 695 00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:35,975 required to include those. 696 00:28:35,975 --> 00:28:38,494 Research service sector will help you to. 697 00:28:38,494 --> 00:28:40,550 I know a lot of documents 698 00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:42,009 do not include those. 699 00:28:42,009 --> 00:28:43,744 I can guarantee you. 700 00:28:43,744 --> 00:28:45,499 The colored stood 701 00:28:45,499 --> 00:28:47,330 Research Service Center will 702 00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:48,709 make sure that you do not 703 00:28:48,709 --> 00:28:51,809 include any documents are not required. 704 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:57,439 When you write the application 705 00:28:57,439 --> 00:29:00,740 and you write a narrative. 706 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,960 Please make sure that 707 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,119 you read the program announcement. 708 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,925 Please make sure when you do that. 709 00:29:07,925 --> 00:29:09,889 You read this section in 710 00:29:09,889 --> 00:29:11,870 your program and outspoken outlines 711 00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,535 or review criteria. 712 00:29:13,535 --> 00:29:17,840 That review criteria, it is really important. 713 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,599 Hope you understand or viewers 714 00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,390 how they're going to review your proposal. 715 00:29:23,390 --> 00:29:25,040 Make sure that when 716 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,795 you develop your narrative, 717 00:29:26,795 --> 00:29:29,930 that you address those review criteria 718 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:31,294 in your narrative. 719 00:29:31,294 --> 00:29:32,689 If you have a highlight 720 00:29:32,689 --> 00:29:35,660 those in your narrative, Go ahead. 721 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:38,150 Some federal agencies may 722 00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:41,329 require your structure of your application. 723 00:29:41,329 --> 00:29:43,324 Follow the book writer, 724 00:29:43,324 --> 00:29:45,035 which is even better. 725 00:29:45,035 --> 00:29:48,575 But if they don't, make sure you 726 00:29:48,575 --> 00:29:51,320 understand the criteria and 727 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,124 make sure that when you write your narrative, 728 00:29:54,124 --> 00:29:58,189 your project narrative, that your response 729 00:29:58,189 --> 00:30:02,330 adheres and response to the criteria. 730 00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:03,859 Because their reviewers are 731 00:30:03,859 --> 00:30:05,254 going to look at that. 732 00:30:05,254 --> 00:30:06,859 You can develop different 733 00:30:06,859 --> 00:30:08,540 sections in your criteria, 734 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,564 in your narrative that does that. 735 00:30:10,564 --> 00:30:12,169 Or you can bold online, 736 00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:13,834 highlight whatever you want. 737 00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:15,725 Just make sure that yours, 738 00:30:15,725 --> 00:30:18,094 your narrative response to 739 00:30:18,094 --> 00:30:20,339 the review car carry. 740 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,879 The other thing is a weak abstract, 741 00:30:25,879 --> 00:30:28,699 please everybody understand that? 742 00:30:28,699 --> 00:30:32,819 Review. Well, we covered 19, 743 00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:34,679 but especially Coburn 19, 744 00:30:34,679 --> 00:30:36,299 which really hasn't changed that 745 00:30:36,299 --> 00:30:38,564 much over while this virtual. 746 00:30:38,564 --> 00:30:41,820 Each reviewers given about 15 proposals 747 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:43,665 and maybe 12 proposes to review. 748 00:30:43,665 --> 00:30:44,759 And it takes about two to 749 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,184 three days to do that. 750 00:30:46,184 --> 00:30:48,584 By the time everybody gets together, 751 00:30:48,584 --> 00:30:49,680 they're really tired, 752 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,284 especially on the second or third. 753 00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:52,770 Third again and went to end 754 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:54,540 the virtual meeting or 755 00:30:54,540 --> 00:30:57,609 they want to leave the hotel's wherever. 756 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,730 So if your proposals not any upper stack of 757 00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:04,200 applications that are reunion 758 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,060 first day and it ends up 759 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:10,989 at the third stack, the end of the stack. 760 00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:13,429 Reviewers are really 761 00:31:13,429 --> 00:31:15,620 tired and they want to make 762 00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:17,509 sure that you're giving every 763 00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:18,649 proposed to the opportunity 764 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:20,839 to be reviewed appropriately. 765 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,914 One thing that was really critical to them 766 00:31:23,914 --> 00:31:27,680 is the abstract, one-page abstract. 767 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,735 And I always emphasize, 768 00:31:29,735 --> 00:31:31,339 emphasize that when you 769 00:31:31,339 --> 00:31:32,944 write the abstract, which is, 770 00:31:32,944 --> 00:31:35,960 which must be the last thing 771 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,920 you complete in your proposal. 772 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,500 That abstract has to 773 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,425 demonstrate what I call the wow factor. 774 00:31:45,425 --> 00:31:48,304 When they're talking about thick about this. 775 00:31:48,304 --> 00:31:50,300 When you're tired, if someone 776 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,580 gives you one pager to read, 777 00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:54,110 What do you think of that guy? 778 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:56,150 You need to look at the scan this 779 00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:58,130 very quickly and say, 780 00:31:58,130 --> 00:32:00,559 whoa, it I've read 781 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,050 this in less than 30 seconds. 782 00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:05,495 I don't like it, or wow. 783 00:32:05,495 --> 00:32:07,820 This is really importance. 784 00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:10,189 Let's look at this proposal. 785 00:32:10,189 --> 00:32:12,319 This is what I'm talking about, 786 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,225 your abstract because 787 00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:16,100 the most essential part of 788 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,259 your application that must 789 00:32:18,259 --> 00:32:20,015 be done at the last thing, 790 00:32:20,015 --> 00:32:21,500 once you've completed 791 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,050 all your components of your application. 792 00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:26,900 Because abstracts reflect what 793 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:28,174 you're going to do in the beginning 794 00:32:28,174 --> 00:32:29,270 and the end of a project. 795 00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:30,829 But when you really think 796 00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:32,614 about it of your project, 797 00:32:32,614 --> 00:32:34,340 and it will completely change by 798 00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:36,994 the time you complete your proposal. 799 00:32:36,994 --> 00:32:39,560 Because things change, a concept changes. 800 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,450 But your abstract has 801 00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:43,760 to demonstrate to the reviewer, 802 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,805 This is really important for you to consider. 803 00:32:46,805 --> 00:32:49,400 So the wow factor is will 804 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,989 the importance once 805 00:32:50,989 --> 00:32:52,879 you're preparing your abstract? 806 00:32:52,879 --> 00:32:54,710 This is really a central, 807 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:56,195 I've been a reviewer. 808 00:32:56,195 --> 00:32:57,469 I get really tired 809 00:32:57,469 --> 00:32:59,584 whenever review proposals 15. 810 00:32:59,584 --> 00:33:02,419 At the end of the third day or second day, 811 00:33:02,419 --> 00:33:04,114 I want to end things up. 812 00:33:04,114 --> 00:33:06,050 But when I read the first page 813 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:08,149 of an abstract compared to others, 814 00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:10,430 as something catches my eye, 815 00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:12,034 I'm willing to look at DEC, 816 00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:13,445 and inevitably, 817 00:33:13,445 --> 00:33:15,289 that becomes really important to 818 00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:17,269 whether proposal is considered for 819 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:21,029 funding in the current round or an exon. 820 00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:27,150 Yeah, in a pre submission and review. 821 00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:31,324 This is really important. 822 00:33:31,324 --> 00:33:34,339 You cannot edit your proposal. 823 00:33:34,339 --> 00:33:37,069 What's your gut or do you think are good? 824 00:33:37,069 --> 00:33:38,749 You really need to 825 00:33:38,749 --> 00:33:41,194 get your colleagues involved. 826 00:33:41,194 --> 00:33:43,250 Especially folks out 827 00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:45,334 perhaps weren't involved in 828 00:33:45,334 --> 00:33:46,819 other applications that are 829 00:33:46,819 --> 00:33:49,565 funding the same agency. 830 00:33:49,565 --> 00:33:51,140 Let them review it, 831 00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:53,404 let them do the edits. 832 00:33:53,404 --> 00:33:56,224 They're qualified to give you critique. 833 00:33:56,224 --> 00:33:57,125 I'm going to contact 834 00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:59,660 a proposal because the worst thing 835 00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:01,310 that you want to do is 836 00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:03,395 to put your ego in the way. 837 00:34:03,395 --> 00:34:05,449 If you really want to get funded, 838 00:34:05,449 --> 00:34:07,490 check your ego at the door and 839 00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:09,964 let somebody else could be a critical review. 840 00:34:09,964 --> 00:34:12,155 Right. And and allow 841 00:34:12,155 --> 00:34:14,089 time for your rights because you're going 842 00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:20,074 to do that and relate to rewrite. 843 00:34:20,074 --> 00:34:22,220 My habit is this, 844 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:24,544 once I've started a narrative, 845 00:34:24,544 --> 00:34:28,755 every time I I write a narrative and 846 00:34:28,755 --> 00:34:30,259 make some edits or was 847 00:34:30,259 --> 00:34:33,469 save that document and a different name. 848 00:34:33,469 --> 00:34:36,589 I don't lose that earlier document because I 849 00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:38,555 know much of my thought 850 00:34:38,555 --> 00:34:39,709 in the early documents, 851 00:34:39,709 --> 00:34:43,099 I might need it in a fifth or fourth order. 852 00:34:43,099 --> 00:34:46,324 The 16th iteration of my narrative. 853 00:34:46,324 --> 00:34:48,065 Don't lose that thought 854 00:34:48,065 --> 00:34:49,099 that you may think you 855 00:34:49,099 --> 00:34:52,129 don't need it in the second edition. 856 00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:54,859 Thank you may need it in a tenth edition, 857 00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:56,299 but you want to find out what 858 00:34:56,299 --> 00:34:57,740 you said in the beginning. 859 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:59,569 So just make sure that 860 00:34:59,569 --> 00:35:01,865 you save your additions, 861 00:35:01,865 --> 00:35:05,269 revisions in sequence so 862 00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:06,694 you can get back to them. 863 00:35:06,694 --> 00:35:08,749 But you need to proofread everything you 864 00:35:08,749 --> 00:35:11,524 do and you can't do that alone. 865 00:35:11,524 --> 00:35:13,040 So could be a colleague 866 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,300 or someone in your office, 867 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,009 someone at your diversity 868 00:35:16,009 --> 00:35:17,269 that really can help 869 00:35:17,269 --> 00:35:22,144 you edit and proofread it documented. 870 00:35:22,144 --> 00:35:24,109 The worst thing that we hate as 871 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:26,600 a reviewer is that there are a lot of myths, 872 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,519 spying and grammatical errors, 873 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,619 especially in the abstract. 874 00:35:30,619 --> 00:35:32,330 Already introduction. 875 00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:34,189 If there are lot of spelling errors 876 00:35:34,189 --> 00:35:37,640 and grammatical errors, mistakes, 877 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,039 it really sets the stage that 878 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,425 we think that this, 879 00:35:42,425 --> 00:35:46,144 this proposal really, even it might be great. 880 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,765 It's just not good 881 00:35:47,765 --> 00:35:50,779 because misspelling common words, 882 00:35:50,779 --> 00:35:51,950 you have lot of errors. 883 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:53,689 So why are we going to waste our time? 884 00:35:53,689 --> 00:35:55,879 So that really becomes 885 00:35:55,879 --> 00:35:57,844 an issue with reviewers. 886 00:35:57,844 --> 00:35:59,584 So just make sure 887 00:35:59,584 --> 00:36:02,239 that you go through the process with 888 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,210 your colleagues or anybody else to 889 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:08,180 review your documents for consistency. 890 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:11,120 Fourth, factual contents for errors, 891 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,724 grammatical spelling. 892 00:36:12,724 --> 00:36:15,150 That's really important. 893 00:36:16,810 --> 00:36:21,245 And I think that's the last slide, 894 00:36:21,245 --> 00:36:24,620 is I really encourage 895 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:26,059 everybody when you go 896 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,574 through your application, 897 00:36:27,574 --> 00:36:33,625 once you figured done, just do edited, 898 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:37,569 more editing, rewrite and additional rewrite, 899 00:36:37,569 --> 00:36:41,815 savior prior prior documents. 900 00:36:41,815 --> 00:36:43,809 Because you're gonna go back to that. 901 00:36:43,809 --> 00:36:47,199 I remember that for few applications I wrote, 902 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,424 I had 50 different versions 903 00:36:50,424 --> 00:36:52,104 from the beginning to the end 904 00:36:52,104 --> 00:36:53,680 of an application. 905 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,159 Because I don't wanna lose 906 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:57,310 my thoughts from a, 907 00:36:57,310 --> 00:36:58,749 from something I've thought 908 00:36:58,749 --> 00:37:01,390 about two weeks ago that didn't. 909 00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:03,790 I realize now I discarded, 910 00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:05,829 but now I realize it's really important. 911 00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:08,019 I need to capture that font, 912 00:37:08,019 --> 00:37:09,609 put it into the final narrative. 913 00:37:09,609 --> 00:37:12,889 So that's really important. 914 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,135 The critical thing is this. 915 00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:19,354 We all have our egos. 916 00:37:19,354 --> 00:37:21,034 We all have our pride of 917 00:37:21,034 --> 00:37:24,440 authorship on when it comes to application. 918 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,360 And you're trying to get funded, 919 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,444 which is in a competitive world, 920 00:37:28,444 --> 00:37:30,109 you got to discard that. 921 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:32,989 Gotta rely on your colleagues and anybody 922 00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:36,995 else that can help you review edits, 923 00:37:36,995 --> 00:37:39,799 gives you a reality check 924 00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:43,445 on application before you submit. 925 00:37:43,445 --> 00:37:45,199 And the last thing I would 926 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,389 say is that whatever you do, 927 00:37:47,389 --> 00:37:48,919 you gotta be consistent with 928 00:37:48,919 --> 00:37:52,010 the requirements of the funder. 929 00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:53,870 You can, you know, we can help 930 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:56,255 you in identifying funding opportunities. 931 00:37:56,255 --> 00:37:57,829 But if you can't follow 932 00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:59,975 the requirements of the Funded, 933 00:37:59,975 --> 00:38:02,225 you're, you're doomed to fail. 934 00:38:02,225 --> 00:38:04,384 So don't following those. 935 00:38:04,384 --> 00:38:06,214 Don't, don't be cute. 936 00:38:06,214 --> 00:38:08,555 Don't come up with great ideas. 937 00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:10,295 Funders don't like that. 938 00:38:10,295 --> 00:38:12,830 Say, this is what I need, X, Y, and Z. 939 00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:14,735 Given X, Y, and Z, 940 00:38:14,735 --> 00:38:16,579 don't give him anything else. 941 00:38:16,579 --> 00:38:19,969 Then they come back and ask you for x2, 942 00:38:19,969 --> 00:38:22,580 y, x, that's fine. 943 00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:24,740 But any application based 944 00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:26,495 on what they are requiring, 945 00:38:26,495 --> 00:38:28,444 don't give them anything else. 946 00:38:28,444 --> 00:38:30,455 More than what they are requiring 947 00:38:30,455 --> 00:38:32,704 are are asking for it. 948 00:38:32,704 --> 00:38:42,560 So kn I'm Laura, I guess I'm done. 949 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,760 I'm over the questions. 950 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,480 Ready but hazarding. Awesome. Thank you, 951 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,370 Terry. That was wonderful. 952 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:52,999 We'll spend the next ten or 15 minutes 953 00:38:52,999 --> 00:38:55,880 answering any questions that you all have. 954 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,994 So if you have any questions, 955 00:38:57,994 --> 00:38:59,000 just go ahead and submit them 956 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,200 into the chat box. 957 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,059 And we will answer them in 958 00:39:02,059 --> 00:39:04,175 the order in which they are received. 959 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:06,110 If we run out 960 00:39:06,110 --> 00:39:07,520 of time and don't get to your question, 961 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,789 we will follow up with an answer in an email. 962 00:39:10,789 --> 00:39:14,719 So that being said, Terry, 963 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,684 the first question we have is, 964 00:39:16,684 --> 00:39:20,390 how broad slash specific 965 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:23,310 should this short pitched me? 966 00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:26,959 The short pitch in terms 967 00:39:26,959 --> 00:39:29,300 of it is that I'm not sure what that means. 968 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,575 Shrink that was from like an 969 00:39:30,575 --> 00:39:32,929 Early on a slide early on. 970 00:39:32,929 --> 00:39:35,719 When you're like, well, okay, 971 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,149 so I interpret that is, well, 972 00:39:38,149 --> 00:39:39,800 a short pitch is really from 973 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,150 my perspective friend who said 974 00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:43,324 the question is really the abstract. 975 00:39:43,324 --> 00:39:45,350 That's where the short pitches, 976 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,810 because that's like from 977 00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:49,520 the abstract proposals 978 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,960 like the elevator speech. 979 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,189 Hi, I'm Terry. 980 00:39:52,189 --> 00:39:53,629 Obviously great clarification 981 00:39:53,629 --> 00:39:55,325 on that question. 982 00:39:55,325 --> 00:39:57,349 And it depends to the grand operas, 983 00:39:57,349 --> 00:40:00,769 they're not gonna make 984 00:40:00,769 --> 00:40:02,899 it brought because specific. 985 00:40:02,899 --> 00:40:06,080 And also this question. 986 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,289 They also added the contract the contract to 987 00:40:09,289 --> 00:40:11,000 the program officer to 988 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,399 see if it's a good bet. 989 00:40:13,399 --> 00:40:18,290 Yeah. So so yeah, 990 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:19,430 I think I understand hole by 991 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:23,074 the Senate in a funding announcement, 992 00:40:23,074 --> 00:40:25,640 Dolby contexts for protocol officer, 993 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,965 that's where you get to that information. 994 00:40:27,965 --> 00:40:30,725 When you reach out to a Program Officer. 995 00:40:30,725 --> 00:40:34,860 Before you do that, make sure you understand. 996 00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:38,165 You read the program announcement, 997 00:40:38,165 --> 00:40:40,894 your questions or program officer 998 00:40:40,894 --> 00:40:42,590 that's related to what you're trying 999 00:40:42,590 --> 00:40:44,809 to do has to be 1000 00:40:44,809 --> 00:40:48,560 tied with the program and ask them for quite. 1001 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,895 That means your response has to be, 1002 00:40:52,895 --> 00:40:56,975 a candidate, cannot be broad, 1003 00:40:56,975 --> 00:41:00,905 but it has to be tied in to the requirements. 1004 00:41:00,905 --> 00:41:03,679 Because if it's not a Program Officer 1005 00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,194 before he or she 1006 00:41:05,194 --> 00:41:07,204 wants to talk to you will say, 1007 00:41:07,204 --> 00:41:08,899 I read what you set me. 1008 00:41:08,899 --> 00:41:10,999 Have you read the program announcement? 1009 00:41:10,999 --> 00:41:13,820 That's a signal that you have 1010 00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:16,954 not because based on what you're proposing. 1011 00:41:16,954 --> 00:41:21,320 So read the program announcement and 1012 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,519 a response to the program 1013 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,039 has your project has 1014 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:26,345 to be verse specifically, 1015 00:41:26,345 --> 00:41:27,799 not General, their 1016 00:41:27,799 --> 00:41:29,810 response to that announcement. 1017 00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:31,909 And then you'll have better opportunities 1018 00:41:31,909 --> 00:41:33,709 to have a conversation with 1019 00:41:33,709 --> 00:41:36,199 the program ofs o to 1020 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:39,335 answer the question. Okay, thanks. 1021 00:41:39,335 --> 00:41:42,050 K. The next question is, 1022 00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:46,010 what are some common supporting documents? 1023 00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:52,430 Oh, well, supporting Dot-com. 1024 00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:55,340 Okay. Resumes which are 1025 00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:56,824 required or not supporting 1026 00:41:56,824 --> 00:41:58,610 documents by letters of 1027 00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:02,360 commitment as opposed to letters of support. 1028 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,870 Letters a few years ago. 1029 00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:10,550 Agency would approve 1030 00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:12,920 would accept letter support, 1031 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,070 which is a letter 1032 00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:19,370 from the university president and saying, 1033 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,079 hey, this project really 1034 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,420 fits with what we're doing, blah, blah, blah. 1035 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,015 It expands what we're trying to achieve. 1036 00:42:26,015 --> 00:42:27,920 Letters of commitment and that's, 1037 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,779 and even letters from 1038 00:42:29,779 --> 00:42:32,285 our congressional delegation. 1039 00:42:32,285 --> 00:42:34,610 More so they're less importance. 1040 00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:36,590 Because what aren't into 1041 00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:37,819 Apache members is supposed to 1042 00:42:37,819 --> 00:42:39,500 say, this is great for me. 1043 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,420 Hace, please support it. 1044 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:43,669 What do you do now looking for 1045 00:42:43,669 --> 00:42:46,744 more our letter support commitments. 1046 00:42:46,744 --> 00:42:49,054 If you identify partners, 1047 00:42:49,054 --> 00:42:50,644 can your application 1048 00:42:50,644 --> 00:42:53,060 those partners need to submit 1049 00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:55,190 include a letter of commitment in 1050 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:57,980 the application with yours that say, 1051 00:42:57,980 --> 00:43:00,095 this is my commitments, 1052 00:43:00,095 --> 00:43:02,120 x windy and personal 1053 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,985 time or funding accessible advocate 1054 00:43:04,985 --> 00:43:07,309 resources that are very 1055 00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:09,019 important to achieving the goals 1056 00:43:09,019 --> 00:43:10,430 and objectives of the project. 1057 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:13,039 Those are a lot of commitments that are very 1058 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:14,270 important to the project as 1059 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:15,634 opposed to a letter of support. 1060 00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:17,704 So they're very different. 1061 00:43:17,704 --> 00:43:21,799 Definitions do not follow voters support. 1062 00:43:21,799 --> 00:43:25,280 William course. Most narrow 1063 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,300 looking for letters of 1064 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:28,650 commandments as I explain. 1065 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:31,234 Ok, great. 1066 00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:33,469 Then the next question we have is, 1067 00:43:33,469 --> 00:43:35,569 Can you speak a little bit 1068 00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:38,089 about logic models slash 1069 00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:39,980 specific objectives for 1070 00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:42,439 more basic scientific research 1071 00:43:42,439 --> 00:43:43,865 rather than applied work. 1072 00:43:43,865 --> 00:43:46,519 Like when you are not aiming to solve 1073 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:51,034 a community problem, raised floors, etc. 1074 00:43:51,034 --> 00:43:54,710 But I think that's a good question 1075 00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:56,479 and I'm not sure I can answer that 1076 00:43:56,479 --> 00:43:59,269 in a timeframe. I think. 1077 00:43:59,269 --> 00:44:02,389 We are Kotler can 1078 00:44:02,389 --> 00:44:04,460 help that in a separate conversation. 1079 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:07,460 But I would not 1080 00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:10,940 I would ask the folks on this call is 1081 00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:14,240 not to be concerned about logic models in 1082 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,279 terms of the distinction 1083 00:44:16,279 --> 00:44:17,929 between research and say, 1084 00:44:17,929 --> 00:44:19,534 educational objectives, 1085 00:44:19,534 --> 00:44:23,389 logic models apply to 1086 00:44:23,389 --> 00:44:25,310 different kinds of activities. 1087 00:44:25,310 --> 00:44:28,399 The purpose of a logic model is to help you 1088 00:44:28,399 --> 00:44:30,769 define what the goals and 1089 00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:32,419 objectives and strategies and 1090 00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:33,739 outcomes you're trying to achieve. 1091 00:44:33,739 --> 00:44:36,439 And that could be stated 1092 00:44:36,439 --> 00:44:38,434 in different ways that, that, 1093 00:44:38,434 --> 00:44:39,560 that are consistent with 1094 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,240 research proposals or 1095 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:43,070 educational proposals are out 1096 00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:46,474 which proposals community needs. 1097 00:44:46,474 --> 00:44:50,810 From the Rishi research perspective could be 1098 00:44:50,810 --> 00:44:52,610 aligned with which went to 1099 00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:55,039 state of the art is about in terms of the, 1100 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,449 the the literature, you know, 1101 00:44:59,449 --> 00:45:02,180 covered 19 for example. 1102 00:45:02,180 --> 00:45:06,605 We don't know how they react to vaccines. 1103 00:45:06,605 --> 00:45:08,314 I'm just thinking out loud here. 1104 00:45:08,314 --> 00:45:10,025 That's a convenient need. 1105 00:45:10,025 --> 00:45:12,439 Alright. So you can 1106 00:45:12,439 --> 00:45:13,850 couched community didn't that 1107 00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:15,770 context so soon to 1108 00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:18,334 dissuade anybody from using a logic model. 1109 00:45:18,334 --> 00:45:20,899 But what it does is it 1110 00:45:20,899 --> 00:45:24,080 helps you really align with what 1111 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,459 you're trying to achieve was 1112 00:45:25,459 --> 00:45:28,850 a real problem and how you 1113 00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:30,019 can address that cannot 1114 00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:33,050 proposal that will achieve the outcome, 1115 00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:35,225 the goals and objectives 1116 00:45:35,225 --> 00:45:37,669 that the community is trying to address. 1117 00:45:37,669 --> 00:45:40,219 So if anybody from that research, 1118 00:45:40,219 --> 00:45:42,124 research, but traditionally, 1119 00:45:42,124 --> 00:45:43,430 we should research scripts, 1120 00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:45,379 the perspective that when I 1121 00:45:45,379 --> 00:45:47,989 have a better understanding of a logic model, 1122 00:45:47,989 --> 00:45:49,819 give me a call or maggie or 1123 00:45:49,819 --> 00:45:52,159 anybody else at the research center and it 1124 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,799 will help you up where I do know is that 1125 00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:56,929 the educational community and 1126 00:45:56,929 --> 00:45:59,105 particularly to ponder education. 1127 00:45:59,105 --> 00:46:00,650 And now also the Department 1128 00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:02,105 of Labor at the federal level. 1129 00:46:02,105 --> 00:46:05,834 As all other state are looking more too. 1130 00:46:05,834 --> 00:46:08,454 Reviewing proposals 1131 00:46:08,454 --> 00:46:11,139 that have logic, model components, 1132 00:46:11,139 --> 00:46:13,990 kingdom, research proposals are 1133 00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:16,180 not that very specific. 1134 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:17,619 But I think from your thought 1135 00:46:17,619 --> 00:46:19,270 perspective is fully important, 1136 00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:21,894 so reach out to us, it will help you out. 1137 00:46:21,894 --> 00:46:25,599 Okay? The next question is, 1138 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,805 your example uses 1139 00:46:27,805 --> 00:46:31,119 a very specific number, 90%. 1140 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,225 Do you usually err on the side of 1141 00:46:34,225 --> 00:46:36,219 a cautious number to 1142 00:46:36,219 --> 00:46:39,079 better the likelihood you can achieve it. 1143 00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:43,790 90% for success, right? 1144 00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:47,999 Doesn't successor. 1145 00:46:47,999 --> 00:46:49,789 Well, it was the example that Hughes, 1146 00:46:49,789 --> 00:46:52,499 I think it was like slide ten, 1147 00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:16,639 Marine and downstream from the it was from 1148 00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:18,950 the slide about formulating 1149 00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:22,129 specific goals and objectives. 1150 00:47:22,129 --> 00:47:26,459 And I believe it said 90% success rate. 1151 00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:35,770 I said no. I think it was, 1152 00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:39,079 it was an example, two examples. 1153 00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:47,980 Yet. So to me 1154 00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:49,480 that it's almost palm is 1155 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,965 saying y'all are fun. 1156 00:47:50,965 --> 00:47:53,695 Your potential funders that 1157 00:47:53,695 --> 00:47:56,274 your project will deliver 1158 00:47:56,274 --> 00:48:03,340 90% pass rate, right? 1159 00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:05,199 Right. Isaac Murray, I think 1160 00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,329 what I was trying to get was 1161 00:48:07,329 --> 00:48:09,069 a slide where we're 1162 00:48:09,069 --> 00:48:11,665 talking about Objective-C too, 1163 00:48:11,665 --> 00:48:13,389 needs to be measurable. 1164 00:48:13,389 --> 00:48:16,360 All right, so the one on the right, 1165 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,485 left doesn't have a number 1166 00:48:20,485 --> 00:48:22,450 or a percentage or something. 1167 00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:23,935 What are you, what are you 1168 00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:26,079 trying to achieve at the end or a project? 1169 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,399 Alright, so that box on the poor. 1170 00:48:30,399 --> 00:48:32,469 They said, we anticipate that completion of 1171 00:48:32,469 --> 00:48:33,909 the new curriculum resulted 1172 00:48:33,909 --> 00:48:35,350 in has two scores. 1173 00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:37,570 What the funders are looking for, 1174 00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:40,255 work giving you x million dollars. 1175 00:48:40,255 --> 00:48:44,214 Don't give us some generic explanation 1176 00:48:44,214 --> 00:48:45,430 of what the outcomes 1177 00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:46,719 will be or the objective, 1178 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,910 we give us something specific. 1179 00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:50,769 So the example I'm going to write 1180 00:48:50,769 --> 00:48:52,569 for better is at least 1181 00:48:52,569 --> 00:48:54,414 90% of the course credits will 1182 00:48:54,414 --> 00:48:57,620 pass International richard examination. 1183 00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:59,585 I'm not suggesting 90%. 1184 00:48:59,585 --> 00:49:01,324 This is, this, this came, 1185 00:49:01,324 --> 00:49:02,389 came out from some of 1186 00:49:02,389 --> 00:49:03,950 the comments in the past. 1187 00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:08,209 So the point being is when you, 1188 00:49:08,209 --> 00:49:10,069 it's very important that 1189 00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:12,020 we identify objectives. 1190 00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:14,849 They have to be measurable. 1191 00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:23,630 Does M accessing it, guys? 1192 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,939 Thanks. I'm just wondering though, 1193 00:49:25,939 --> 00:49:28,445 if an ambitious number is 1194 00:49:28,445 --> 00:49:31,624 considered a promise and then 1195 00:49:31,624 --> 00:49:34,369 now we implement the project and 1196 00:49:34,369 --> 00:49:37,970 cannot and do not get those numbers. 1197 00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:39,484 I think I think Maria, 1198 00:49:39,484 --> 00:49:40,655 what do you need to do with 1199 00:49:40,655 --> 00:49:43,279 whatever numbers or percentage of use? 1200 00:49:43,279 --> 00:49:46,009 I would suggest that your underestimate that. 1201 00:49:46,009 --> 00:49:48,890 Okay. And then if 1202 00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:50,329 you can't see those non-visible 1203 00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:51,514 beyond next, great. 1204 00:49:51,514 --> 00:49:54,425 Just make sure that you explain in your, 1205 00:49:54,425 --> 00:49:58,310 in your proposal how you justify that number. 1206 00:49:58,310 --> 00:50:00,800 Alright, and and feel it, 1207 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,709 and it's absolutely correct to say and 1208 00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:07,835 appropriate to say my numbers 15%. 1209 00:50:07,835 --> 00:50:10,789 I know I can achieve that more than that, 1210 00:50:10,789 --> 00:50:13,100 but I'm more comfortable 50%. 1211 00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:14,239 If I could achieve higher 1212 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,235 than that, I'll go for it. 1213 00:50:16,235 --> 00:50:19,430 Okay? So it's whatever number that you can 1214 00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:22,520 justify in the application. 1215 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,860 Don't, don't overstate that 1216 00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:26,989 because reviewers are going to say, 1217 00:50:26,989 --> 00:50:29,420 Marie, you really are over the, 1218 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:31,115 over the, you know, 1219 00:50:31,115 --> 00:50:33,979 you're really you don't 1220 00:50:33,979 --> 00:50:35,120 have any justification for 1221 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,485 the number you're talking about, 1222 00:50:36,485 --> 00:50:38,029 justify why you're doing it. 1223 00:50:38,029 --> 00:50:42,695 Yeah. Okay, great. Thanks, Teri. 1224 00:50:42,695 --> 00:50:44,704 The next question we have is, 1225 00:50:44,704 --> 00:50:46,579 how important is it to 1226 00:50:46,579 --> 00:50:48,950 create a compelling story? 1227 00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:50,540 An example of a person 1228 00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:52,729 impacted by the problem you are 1229 00:50:52,729 --> 00:50:58,715 speaking to a drops Kaelyn today. 1230 00:50:58,715 --> 00:51:00,170 I'd like, may be 1231 00:51:00,170 --> 00:51:01,759 essential question of how important 1232 00:51:01,759 --> 00:51:05,239 is it to create a compelling story? 1233 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,090 It's absolutely essential in any proposal. 1234 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,629 What's the justification for 1235 00:51:11,629 --> 00:51:12,199 what you're trying to 1236 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:14,720 do with the background. 1237 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,985 Most existing work that's been done. 1238 00:51:16,985 --> 00:51:19,759 What's the data gapp, Knowledge Gap. 1239 00:51:19,759 --> 00:51:21,049 Why are you doing 1240 00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:23,899 this proposal or this project? 1241 00:51:23,899 --> 00:51:27,184 Alright? If you're trying to fun, 1242 00:51:27,184 --> 00:51:33,050 propose a project at that leverage, 1243 00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:34,844 what somebody else did. 1244 00:51:34,844 --> 00:51:36,710 For the purpose of all we're trying to do 1245 00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:38,750 here in Maine, it's not going to work. 1246 00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:41,270 And I'm glad you asked that question. 1247 00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:44,480 Your project has to be innovative. 1248 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,320 You may have Via project in say, 1249 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,495 Utah, they did the same thing. 1250 00:51:50,495 --> 00:51:54,439 Do not think that you can propose 1251 00:51:54,439 --> 00:51:56,840 transferring what you taught 1252 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,139 it in May and you'll want to replicate that. 1253 00:52:00,139 --> 00:52:02,389 That's not that's not 1254 00:52:02,389 --> 00:52:04,490 what funding case or working for. 1255 00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:07,069 What you're trying to find out is, 1256 00:52:07,069 --> 00:52:08,555 what's the added value? 1257 00:52:08,555 --> 00:52:10,310 So if you take something else from 1258 00:52:10,310 --> 00:52:13,339 another state that you can justify, 1259 00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:18,109 that we can tweak and make changes given 1260 00:52:18,109 --> 00:52:19,849 the unique culture or 1261 00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:21,080 environment that you are 1262 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,510 pectin University are made. 1263 00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:25,730 That's a different kind 1264 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:28,429 of lens that we can look at. 1265 00:52:28,429 --> 00:52:29,975 That's what the age is suitable to. 1266 00:52:29,975 --> 00:52:34,205 Yeah. So it has to be difference 1267 00:52:34,205 --> 00:52:36,440 cannot be the same ol same 1268 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,520 thing because 1269 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,709 your project will not be funded. 1270 00:52:39,709 --> 00:52:41,825 So I hope that helps. 1271 00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:45,229 Does I ask the question can think though. 1272 00:52:45,229 --> 00:52:47,570 Okay. So the next question as kind 1273 00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:49,909 of a bunch of questions rolled into one. 1274 00:52:49,909 --> 00:52:51,469 Yeah. So it says, 1275 00:52:51,469 --> 00:52:53,374 how do you approach funders? 1276 00:52:53,374 --> 00:52:54,950 If you are planning to 1277 00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:57,965 approach several groups, are agencies. 1278 00:52:57,965 --> 00:52:59,419 Who do you contact? 1279 00:52:59,419 --> 00:53:01,549 First? Do you approach it 1280 00:53:01,549 --> 00:53:03,169 differently than if trying to 1281 00:53:03,169 --> 00:53:05,435 get funding from a single funder? 1282 00:53:05,435 --> 00:53:07,340 You Taliban, you plan 1283 00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:09,605 and portfolio of funding. 1284 00:53:09,605 --> 00:53:11,930 Now, I understand 1285 00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:14,450 that question. I really understand. 1286 00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:16,460 Cross out the neighborhood for 1287 00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:18,679 i it's one of those things that you 1288 00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:20,929 don't want to show 1289 00:53:20,929 --> 00:53:23,375 your strategies to funders? 1290 00:53:23,375 --> 00:53:25,579 I think what is for my if 1291 00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:27,920 I understand that question correctly, 1292 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,229 if you're in the beginning stages 1293 00:53:30,229 --> 00:53:31,999 of identifying, 1294 00:53:31,999 --> 00:53:34,325 you may have a project 1295 00:53:34,325 --> 00:53:36,019 that could be funded by what? 1296 00:53:36,019 --> 00:53:37,699 A by one agency. 1297 00:53:37,699 --> 00:53:40,710 That's easy. Talk to program officers. 1298 00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:41,449 Thick way you can 1299 00:53:41,449 --> 00:53:43,999 do and go forward with that. 1300 00:53:43,999 --> 00:53:46,340 You may have a projects. 1301 00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:50,150 It has different features associated with it. 1302 00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:54,050 That requires different funding agencies 1303 00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:56,914 are different. 1304 00:53:56,914 --> 00:54:00,259 A different strategy requires 1305 00:54:00,259 --> 00:54:02,345 a different approach to 1306 00:54:02,345 --> 00:54:04,279 writing different grants. 1307 00:54:04,279 --> 00:54:06,830 Would I would suggest if that's the case, 1308 00:54:06,830 --> 00:54:11,099 if that's what you think about is is 1309 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,029 have a conversation with 1310 00:54:14,029 --> 00:54:16,025 a different project officers 1311 00:54:16,025 --> 00:54:18,319 without necessarily letting them know, 1312 00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:21,320 hey, I'm going to NSF, Hey, 1313 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,770 I'm going to find out the popular education. 1314 00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:28,024 Hey, I'm going to make Community Foundation. 1315 00:54:28,024 --> 00:54:30,934 Give them the overall perspective 1316 00:54:30,934 --> 00:54:32,030 of what you're trying to 1317 00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:37,205 accomplish in that one page, summary. 1318 00:54:37,205 --> 00:54:39,335 And shopping around. 1319 00:54:39,335 --> 00:54:42,725 Alright, so you're not shopping around for, 1320 00:54:42,725 --> 00:54:45,005 you're not chasing the funds. 1321 00:54:45,005 --> 00:54:47,660 You're shopping around for funders. 1322 00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:49,625 That's a little bit different perspective. 1323 00:54:49,625 --> 00:54:52,009 So outline what you 1324 00:54:52,009 --> 00:54:53,840 need to do it and share it with 1325 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,780 different agencies that you know could 1326 00:54:56,780 --> 00:55:00,499 contribute to funding your project. 1327 00:55:00,499 --> 00:55:01,939 At some point in time, 1328 00:55:01,939 --> 00:55:04,519 you'll figure out that those three 1329 00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:05,839 or four different or five 1330 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,399 different contexts you made, 1331 00:55:07,399 --> 00:55:08,990 you can submit your proposal 1332 00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:10,549 to those three funders. 1333 00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:14,570 We'll fund in different slices 1334 00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:17,000 that require maybe different proposals. 1335 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,550 By different slices, there will fund 1336 00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:23,120 your project is a little bit complicated. 1337 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,949 And I had a mixture of early 1338 00:55:24,949 --> 00:55:26,420 expanded correctly. 1339 00:55:26,420 --> 00:55:28,804 That's a proper strands follow. 1340 00:55:28,804 --> 00:55:31,009 And if you have any questions, 1341 00:55:31,009 --> 00:55:33,140 give us a call to 1342 00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:35,404 Russia's target sector and will help you 1343 00:55:35,404 --> 00:55:38,749 figures when I'm okay 1344 00:55:38,749 --> 00:55:40,009 with that to more questions. 1345 00:55:40,009 --> 00:55:41,195 Laughs. I think if we move 1346 00:55:41,195 --> 00:55:43,384 quickly, we can get through them. 1347 00:55:43,384 --> 00:55:46,399 There. The next question is there are 1348 00:55:46,399 --> 00:55:50,074 very specific formats for things like PI bio. 1349 00:55:50,074 --> 00:55:52,700 Is there a best place to go to get 1350 00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:54,109 these documents that will be 1351 00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:56,700 needed for every grant. 1352 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,200 Now? Well, yes. 1353 00:56:01,870 --> 00:56:04,764 We do have I don't think 1354 00:56:04,764 --> 00:56:07,999 some website or sick or retrace it, 1355 00:56:07,999 --> 00:56:11,615 but I do have access to 1356 00:56:11,615 --> 00:56:17,029 bio formats for NSF or NIH for nasa. 1357 00:56:17,029 --> 00:56:19,279 I could provide those or maybe your Laura, 1358 00:56:19,279 --> 00:56:20,600 we could put that on our website 1359 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,475 for rotary pump for the template. 1360 00:56:22,475 --> 00:56:25,339 But you can't use the same bio format 1361 00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:27,124 for NSF, for nasa. 1362 00:56:27,124 --> 00:56:28,864 Or and I sat there. 1363 00:56:28,864 --> 00:56:29,690 Unfortunately, 1364 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:31,295 they have their own requirements. 1365 00:56:31,295 --> 00:56:32,629 So we can provide 1366 00:56:32,629 --> 00:56:34,160 those templates and instructions 1367 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,539 to help you out. 1368 00:56:35,539 --> 00:56:38,899 Okay, and then the last question we had is, 1369 00:56:38,899 --> 00:56:40,219 if I'm including 1370 00:56:40,219 --> 00:56:43,385 an authoritative resource and data, 1371 00:56:43,385 --> 00:56:46,579 must I cite my resource and then 1372 00:56:46,579 --> 00:56:48,410 include a reference page at 1373 00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:50,810 the end of the grant, if applicable? 1374 00:56:50,810 --> 00:56:54,005 Yes. If you have if you're if you're 1375 00:56:54,005 --> 00:56:59,839 including a resource pain your narrative, 1376 00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:03,170 then you need to have site that narrative. 1377 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:07,025 That resource and reference page 1378 00:57:07,025 --> 00:57:09,110 is to put the reference in that page. 1379 00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:12,360 That reference in the reference page. 1380 00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:17,089 So every alpha, every application in 1381 00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:18,324 a narrative at the end 1382 00:57:18,324 --> 00:57:21,320 has your beer budget, your resume. 1383 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,479 While every narrative at 1384 00:57:23,479 --> 00:57:25,909 the end of in there before and that resume, 1385 00:57:25,909 --> 00:57:27,260 that budget has 1386 00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:29,554 a bibliography or reference page. 1387 00:57:29,554 --> 00:57:31,550 And that page is a list 1388 00:57:31,550 --> 00:57:33,395 of references that you cite. 1389 00:57:33,395 --> 00:57:36,739 Your nerve and as loss Roger, document. 1390 00:57:36,739 --> 00:57:41,360 So that's where you put the references. 1391 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880 Okay, great. Alright, that's 1392 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,394 it for questions. 1393 00:57:45,394 --> 00:57:47,269 If you all have any more questions that you 1394 00:57:47,269 --> 00:57:48,770 think about or we 1395 00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:50,285 didn't answer your question 1396 00:57:50,285 --> 00:57:51,980 as well as you had hoped, 1397 00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:53,975 just go ahead and reach out to us at 1398 00:57:53,975 --> 00:57:55,429 the US Office of Research 1399 00:57:55,429 --> 00:57:57,454 will be happy to help you. 1400 00:57:57,454 --> 00:58:01,430 Right now. I will just say a big thank you to 1401 00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:03,620 Terry for the presentation and 1402 00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:04,940 thank you to everyone for joining 1403 00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:06,200 us and your questions. 1404 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,700 I'm going to pass it over to Laura 1405 00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:10,230 really quickly to close this out. 1406 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,979 Laura, you're muted. 1407 00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:25,209 Sorry about that, guys. 1408 00:58:25,209 --> 00:58:28,779 So just before we finish up today, 1409 00:58:28,779 --> 00:58:30,340 I just wanted to invite 1410 00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:31,810 you all to participate in 1411 00:58:31,810 --> 00:58:34,330 a quick two minute anonymous survey 1412 00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:35,500 about today's event by 1413 00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:37,780 clicking on the link in the chat. 1414 00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:41,199 Again, I want to thank you for attending 1415 00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:42,730 and thank you to 1416 00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:45,535 our presenter, Terry Shamata. 1417 00:58:45,535 --> 00:58:46,629 As I mentioned at 1418 00:58:46,629 --> 00:58:47,679 the beginning of the session. 1419 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:48,759 And we'll be sending out more 1420 00:58:48,759 --> 00:58:50,259 registration email's for 1421 00:58:50,259 --> 00:58:51,760 all the upcoming events 1422 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,364 of this virtual series. 1423 00:58:53,364 --> 00:58:55,900 So please keep an eye out for those. 1424 00:58:55,900 --> 00:58:58,125 And thank you for coming today. 1425 00:58:58,125 --> 00:59:01,949 How did it go? 1426 01:00:47,590 --> 01:00:50,789 Everybody to the waiting room. 1427 01:00:53,350 --> 01:00:56,819 I guess we should stop recording.